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		<title>Comment on COWS BELCH METHANE; SO WHAT? by Mark Shipman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Shipman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 23:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!

But Eco-criminal-nick-smith needs a sacrificial cow...perhaps he should start walking on all fours?

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<p>But Eco-criminal-nick-smith needs a sacrificial cow&#8230;perhaps he should start walking on all fours?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Who is Dairy NZ working for really? by Graeme Edwards</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graeme Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pity I didnt read this before today's meeting at NARF.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by George Allswell</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>George Allswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Neil.
   Smith was in robot mode and robots don't squirm.They just rabbit on expounding his masters message and it seems that Mosgiel confirmed that.Those that did squirm were those, like Bill English,who should have been there but were not.But he will be sweating as he juggles his local hot potatoes.

    Enough of Smith for he is but a tawdry,shabby,candy floss side show.
But what is going on in the big tent, the circus,which is N.Z. politics.Is it a case of elephants in a china shop taking everyone for a ride or are they a coordinated trapeze act designed to beguile and elicit applause?

  Which brings me to :
    Lesson [2]    Beware the hidden agenda.
  
   Lackey Smith is telling us something if we will but look behind the facade.He does not know he is a lackey even though he is number 6.

   When the constabulary come out to the 'meetings' you know that the  clobbering machine has farted and grunted into action.


    P.S.  I wonder if those molasses drenched lasses got a thorough licking?

     P.P.S. Should I sell my shares in B.P.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Neil.<br />
   Smith was in robot mode and robots don&#8217;t squirm.They just rabbit on expounding his masters message and it seems that Mosgiel confirmed that.Those that did squirm were those, like Bill English,who should have been there but were not.But he will be sweating as he juggles his local hot potatoes.</p>
<p>    Enough of Smith for he is but a tawdry,shabby,candy floss side show.<br />
But what is going on in the big tent, the circus,which is N.Z. politics.Is it a case of elephants in a china shop taking everyone for a ride or are they a coordinated trapeze act designed to beguile and elicit applause?</p>
<p>  Which brings me to :<br />
    Lesson [2]    Beware the hidden agenda.</p>
<p>   Lackey Smith is telling us something if we will but look behind the facade.He does not know he is a lackey even though he is number 6.</p>
<p>   When the constabulary come out to the &#8216;meetings&#8217; you know that the  clobbering machine has farted and grunted into action.</p>
<p>    P.S.  I wonder if those molasses drenched lasses got a thorough licking?</p>
<p>     P.P.S. Should I sell my shares in B.P.?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by Robin Grieve</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Grieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 21:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This from Neil Henderson, of Climate Realists
Really great to see Nick squirming. I like your comments George. But is he the only one devoid of intellect?
David Carter claimed in parliament that he spent three hours at the Fieldays with the PM and no one raised the issue of the ETS. And that there were only ten protesters at the opening. Well I was there. There were over ten obvious protesters wearing hi-viz vests, but I know we were surrounded by like minded people!!
I also have reports of a woolshed meeting in Marlborough where he got a hard time from many people including one very irate person. He tried to say that was the exception and the majority saw the need for the ETS or something to that effect.
But back to Nick Smith. About this time last year he was running a short series of ‘consultations’ over the emissions reduction target to take to Copenhagen. At nearly all of those meetings there was a large contingent of placard carrying, mantra chanting ‘watermelons’ sometimes brought in from outside districts. They refused to let anyone speak against their view and at least one man ‘feared for his safety’ at the Nelson meeting!! Nobody tried to stop them. How does the member for Nelson like it now the boot is on the other foot?
This shows us a real contrast. That group is rowdy, confrontational and pushes the law to, and even beyond the limit regularly. 
Our group is polite, law abiding, respectful and give the police no cause for concern. What is the reward we receive? We get totally ignored by the politicians and even more significantly, by the media, so it is inevitable someone finally lights the fuse. The fire is now lit.  I have heard others say it will take this and more to get the government to listen. I find it sad that they are proved right. What will it take to get Smith, who, in 2005, slammed the Labour Party for their carbon tax, saying it will add to the cost of power and fuel and then flow to everything else just like his ETS and do nothing for the climate, just like his ETS. He said then that we need to bury this lemon. If he doesn’t put his money where his mouth is his colleagues need to bury him in political oblivion. If they don’t we will very likely bury many of them at next year’s election. I know many people who are already itching to ‘tick the boxes’.
Let us keep the ball rolling at the rest of his meetings and anywhere else either Smith, Carter or Key shows up.

Regards
Neil Henderson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This from Neil Henderson, of Climate Realists<br />
Really great to see Nick squirming. I like your comments George. But is he the only one devoid of intellect?<br />
David Carter claimed in parliament that he spent three hours at the Fieldays with the PM and no one raised the issue of the ETS. And that there were only ten protesters at the opening. Well I was there. There were over ten obvious protesters wearing hi-viz vests, but I know we were surrounded by like minded people!!<br />
I also have reports of a woolshed meeting in Marlborough where he got a hard time from many people including one very irate person. He tried to say that was the exception and the majority saw the need for the ETS or something to that effect.<br />
But back to Nick Smith. About this time last year he was running a short series of ‘consultations’ over the emissions reduction target to take to Copenhagen. At nearly all of those meetings there was a large contingent of placard carrying, mantra chanting ‘watermelons’ sometimes brought in from outside districts. They refused to let anyone speak against their view and at least one man ‘feared for his safety’ at the Nelson meeting!! Nobody tried to stop them. How does the member for Nelson like it now the boot is on the other foot?<br />
This shows us a real contrast. That group is rowdy, confrontational and pushes the law to, and even beyond the limit regularly.<br />
Our group is polite, law abiding, respectful and give the police no cause for concern. What is the reward we receive? We get totally ignored by the politicians and even more significantly, by the media, so it is inevitable someone finally lights the fuse. The fire is now lit.  I have heard others say it will take this and more to get the government to listen. I find it sad that they are proved right. What will it take to get Smith, who, in 2005, slammed the Labour Party for their carbon tax, saying it will add to the cost of power and fuel and then flow to everything else just like his ETS and do nothing for the climate, just like his ETS. He said then that we need to bury this lemon. If he doesn’t put his money where his mouth is his colleagues need to bury him in political oblivion. If they don’t we will very likely bury many of them at next year’s election. I know many people who are already itching to ‘tick the boxes’.<br />
Let us keep the ball rolling at the rest of his meetings and anywhere else either Smith, Carter or Key shows up.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Neil Henderson</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by George Allswell</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>George Allswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 04:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there. Take a bow Heartland Southlanders for you have finally exposed the festering sore that is N.Z. politics.You took their complacent road show apart and shoved it up the best place possible.
 .    But did you detect any sign of contrition ? Did 'they' lend a listening ear?
   'Doctor' Smith is [or was] National's secret weapon.He,being devoid of any compassion,integrity,intellect is enabled to play the unwitting role of arrogant stupidity.It is a role he plays with consummate skill.The game of politics needs him.How else did 'they'get the E.T.S.scam through?
    It is well that you did not ruffle his feathers for we have much to learn from him.

   Lesson (1)   Beware of the articulate incompetent.

    There were many Stars in the forum all trying to penetrate the murky way that blocked entry into the Smithsonian Institute ,but,and I am sure you will agree,the star of the road show had to be the way the Great Southern Man,tutored in the wild,oblivious to the entreaties of those who elected him,acted out the role of guard dog and rutting stag with superb skill.
 
      P.S.  I wonder if 'they' will apply the 90 day rule to M.P.'s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there. Take a bow Heartland Southlanders for you have finally exposed the festering sore that is N.Z. politics.You took their complacent road show apart and shoved it up the best place possible.<br />
 .    But did you detect any sign of contrition ? Did &#8216;they&#8217; lend a listening ear?<br />
   &#8216;Doctor&#8217; Smith is [or was] National&#8217;s secret weapon.He,being devoid of any compassion,integrity,intellect is enabled to play the unwitting role of arrogant stupidity.It is a role he plays with consummate skill.The game of politics needs him.How else did &#8216;they&#8217;get the E.T.S.scam through?<br />
    It is well that you did not ruffle his feathers for we have much to learn from him.</p>
<p>   Lesson (1)   Beware of the articulate incompetent.</p>
<p>    There were many Stars in the forum all trying to penetrate the murky way that blocked entry into the Smithsonian Institute ,but,and I am sure you will agree,the star of the road show had to be the way the Great Southern Man,tutored in the wild,oblivious to the entreaties of those who elected him,acted out the role of guard dog and rutting stag with superb skill.</p>
<p>      P.S.  I wonder if &#8216;they&#8217; will apply the 90 day rule to M.P.&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by Robin Grieve</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Grieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Colin I have put a link to the TV3 item at teh end of the post</description>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by Colin E McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin E McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short coverage of Gore ETS meeting 15/7/10 on TV3 on Demand TV via the Internet.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Fears For Safety of Nick Smith at ETS meeting by Colin E McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/07/fears-for-safety-of-nick-smith-at-ets-meeting/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin E McIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Turnout! Good old fashioned Political Meeting.The Minister was never in danger of assault as the large majority appeared to have written him and the party off.
A good speaker but needs to get more of his spin correct.As a National Party member I have not voted for them for sometime and the way they are continuing the former Governments style may well prove costly next election. 

It was a insult to give a turn out of this size such a short hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Turnout! Good old fashioned Political Meeting.The Minister was never in danger of assault as the large majority appeared to have written him and the party off.<br />
A good speaker but needs to get more of his spin correct.As a National Party member I have not voted for them for sometime and the way they are continuing the former Governments style may well prove costly next election. </p>
<p>It was a insult to give a turn out of this size such a short hearing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Study destroys Nick Smith&#8217;s spurious claims by Alan Sutherland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 05:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE PUZZLE OF COW FLATULENCE – NEW RESEARCH

It is a puzzle that a cow in New Zealand can cause Anthropogenic Global Warming, but a cow in India does not.  I applied for a research grant to sudy this question and was granted one.

First I examined the fact that NZ cows are Southern Hemisphere and Indian cows are Northern Hemisphere.  Perhaps farts emerge clockwise instead of anti-clockwise?  I soon dismissed this possibility because it is evident that cows in France also cause AGW and they are NH also.

Next to examine was the fact Indian cows are sacred, and maybe God allowed them to fart without causing AGW.  To put this to the test, I contacted MAF and asked if I invited a Hindu priest to bless our cows, would they qualify for a dispensation from blame for AGW?  I was given short shrift.  Of course this does not mean the hypothesis is incorrect, just that it wouldn't be accepted no matter how correct it was.  Of course I can see that if our cows were blessed this way, that every country would be able to do it and governments would then be denied the right to tax cows.

Next line of enquiry was whether our cows are fenced in, and Indian cows have right of way everywhere.  But it didn't seem logical because they both eat grass and it wouldn't make any difference where that grass came from, behind a fence or in the open.  Wait a minute!  This was an important point.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.  So our grass must be greener than Indian grass?  Sorry, this does not work because our cows always eat on this side of the fence where the grass is not greener.

My next line of enquiry was whether milking a cow to obtain food causes the flatulence from that cow to be of an AGW nature.  At last, I am beginning to get a match of the theory to the facts.  So in India, a cow's milk is drunk by a calf as it is in NZ.  But in NZ the cows are milked after the calf is weaned and maybe this extra milking causes the flatulence to contribute to AGW?  The evidence on this theory was not clear cut, and at worst would mean our cows are only half AGW (the period after calf weaning and before winter drying off).

While it might look that I was coming to a dead end, there was mounting evidence from the research that both a NZ cow and an Indian cow actually contribute the same amount of farts, and therefore both warm the planet equally.  The scientific difference is that the Indian cow contributes to global warming and the NZ cow does the same but this is associated with humans because humans drink the milk and milk products, and use the meat, offals and hide when the cow is replaced with a newer model.  The Indian cow causes GW, while the NZ cow causes AGW.

The study then turned to whether the planet would be affected differently by having one less NZ cow or one less Indian cow?  And there was little difference between the two options.  Because this was so hard for the IPCC to choose one over the other, they checked their “Terms of Reference” and concluded their job was to prove the AGW theory.  So they reached the conclusion that agriculture is bad because it serves the purpose of humans.  My work did not reach this conclusion.

This study is in the process of peer review, and subject to its publication, I will be able to apply for a grant to do a follow up study.  This relates to whether Indian cows also serve a human purpose by satisfying the need of humans to have sacred objects.  If this was the case, then it would follow that Indian cows also contribute to AGW, which would please the Indian Government no end because the cows could be taxed.  The people to pay would be all those who believed cows were sacred.

Alan Sutherland       
July 2010</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE PUZZLE OF COW FLATULENCE – NEW RESEARCH</p>
<p>It is a puzzle that a cow in New Zealand can cause Anthropogenic Global Warming, but a cow in India does not.  I applied for a research grant to sudy this question and was granted one.</p>
<p>First I examined the fact that NZ cows are Southern Hemisphere and Indian cows are Northern Hemisphere.  Perhaps farts emerge clockwise instead of anti-clockwise?  I soon dismissed this possibility because it is evident that cows in France also cause AGW and they are NH also.</p>
<p>Next to examine was the fact Indian cows are sacred, and maybe God allowed them to fart without causing AGW.  To put this to the test, I contacted MAF and asked if I invited a Hindu priest to bless our cows, would they qualify for a dispensation from blame for AGW?  I was given short shrift.  Of course this does not mean the hypothesis is incorrect, just that it wouldn&#8217;t be accepted no matter how correct it was.  Of course I can see that if our cows were blessed this way, that every country would be able to do it and governments would then be denied the right to tax cows.</p>
<p>Next line of enquiry was whether our cows are fenced in, and Indian cows have right of way everywhere.  But it didn&#8217;t seem logical because they both eat grass and it wouldn&#8217;t make any difference where that grass came from, behind a fence or in the open.  Wait a minute!  This was an important point.  The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.  So our grass must be greener than Indian grass?  Sorry, this does not work because our cows always eat on this side of the fence where the grass is not greener.</p>
<p>My next line of enquiry was whether milking a cow to obtain food causes the flatulence from that cow to be of an AGW nature.  At last, I am beginning to get a match of the theory to the facts.  So in India, a cow&#8217;s milk is drunk by a calf as it is in NZ.  But in NZ the cows are milked after the calf is weaned and maybe this extra milking causes the flatulence to contribute to AGW?  The evidence on this theory was not clear cut, and at worst would mean our cows are only half AGW (the period after calf weaning and before winter drying off).</p>
<p>While it might look that I was coming to a dead end, there was mounting evidence from the research that both a NZ cow and an Indian cow actually contribute the same amount of farts, and therefore both warm the planet equally.  The scientific difference is that the Indian cow contributes to global warming and the NZ cow does the same but this is associated with humans because humans drink the milk and milk products, and use the meat, offals and hide when the cow is replaced with a newer model.  The Indian cow causes GW, while the NZ cow causes AGW.</p>
<p>The study then turned to whether the planet would be affected differently by having one less NZ cow or one less Indian cow?  And there was little difference between the two options.  Because this was so hard for the IPCC to choose one over the other, they checked their “Terms of Reference” and concluded their job was to prove the AGW theory.  So they reached the conclusion that agriculture is bad because it serves the purpose of humans.  My work did not reach this conclusion.</p>
<p>This study is in the process of peer review, and subject to its publication, I will be able to apply for a grant to do a follow up study.  This relates to whether Indian cows also serve a human purpose by satisfying the need of humans to have sacred objects.  If this was the case, then it would follow that Indian cows also contribute to AGW, which would please the Indian Government no end because the cows could be taxed.  The people to pay would be all those who believed cows were sacred.</p>
<p>Alan Sutherland<br />
July 2010</p>
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		<title>Comment on Email campaign, John Key needs to be told. by Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.farmcarbon.co.nz/index.php/2010/06/email-campaign-john-key-needs-to-be-told/comment-page-1/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That does not seem to be John Key's email address.

I found this one j.key@ministers.govt.nz and had the reply:
On behalf of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key, thank you for your email.
Please note that although email increases the speed of delivery, it may not be possible to provide you with the rapid response users of email may anticipate.
The fact that you have taken the time to write is appreciated.  You can be assured that your views will be noted.
Yours sincerely

The Office of the Prime Minister</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That does not seem to be John Key&#8217;s email address.</p>
<p>I found this one <a href="mailto:j.key@ministers.govt.nz">j.key@ministers.govt.nz</a> and had the reply:<br />
On behalf of the Prime Minister, Hon John Key, thank you for your email.<br />
Please note that although email increases the speed of delivery, it may not be possible to provide you with the rapid response users of email may anticipate.<br />
The fact that you have taken the time to write is appreciated.  You can be assured that your views will be noted.<br />
Yours sincerely</p>
<p>The Office of the Prime Minister</p>
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